PDA

View Full Version : Question as at NWW


98ZJ4X4
11-20-2009, 09:41 AM
What do you think makes a good leader? What should be the role of the leader and what exactly do you think it is they should do?..I think all too often a person with good intentions offers themselves for the position of a leader without actually understanding what it means to be a leader. I think often times said person really wants to join a club or be accepted into a group but just isn't a leader.
What do you all think?

I really think this question should have been posted here, so I copied it and I will post my response here, because I believe it is much more relevant here then at NWW.

What is a Leader? Good Question, many answers!!

1. So much of what is termed Good Leadership is context based and that is why there are many answers to the question of “what is a Leader”.

2. Because of the location where this question was posed, I feel it is safe to assume the question relates to RTW and the ORV Community so I will give my view with that as the venue.

3. “Lead by Example” While this is a good thing sometimes, it is not the whole answer or even the correct answer in some cases.

(a) There are many Leaders that set bad examples and have many followers. No I will not list any examples, I think you all have seen them and know what I mean.

(b) To lead by Example, takes more them just a persons actions in a given setting, it has to be an across the board type of thing or the “Leader” will be seen as a hypocrite, which defeats the whole principle and sets a bad example.

4. “Dedication” Again a good thing, it is still not the whole answer, but coupled with “Leading by Example” is getting closer to the whole answer.

(a) All leaders need to be dedicated to the cause they are leading, but dedication alone will never be enough, as many very dedicated people are really just followers not Leaders.

(b) You not only have to be dedicated, you also need a goal to strive towards, and a good leader will also have a vision on how to achieve that goal.

(c) There are in the context we are addressing here also many dedicated people who have a total different vision and goal. A good leader has to be able to see that and see ways to work with and around those dedicated people.

5. “Sharing” Yes I said sharing! A good leader has to be able to share his vision, goals, ambitions, and his dreams with others. At the same time a good leader is encouraging others to share their vision, goals, ambitions and dreams with him or her and merge them all together for the greater good.

There has never been or ever will be a good leader at anything that is not willing to share and adapt to changing visions and goals. If you vision and goals remain static, they will rot over time and be worthless and good leaders prevent this.

6. Good Leaders are opinionated, but not closed to others opinions as that is what sharpens and hones the visions and goals that are being pursued.

7. Good Leaders do not take part in petty bickering and name calling, but stand aside and look to see what the root cause may be, and then finding ways to correct or overcome those root causes.

8. Good Leaders do not allow personal feeling towards others influence their actions. They have to recognize that everyone does not have the same vision, view, goals and or ambition, but can bring them all together in a state of unity to achieve the greater good for all.

9. A good leader is big enough to put their own personal views aside, and work for the greater good of all. This includes stepping aside when this would move the group/organization closer to its vision and goals.

Keep in mind that Visions and Goals are ever changing just as the weather is or rot sets in and all is lost.

I could maybe with effort go one spelling out my views on Leadership, but I think this is a good start and I will stop here and hope that this is food for thought for some.

Now I will pose my own question, and provide my answer, which I am sure is different from yours the reader of this post.

Question: Does RTW as an Organization have good leadership?

My Answer: No it does not. It has some leaders, but not what I would call good leaders. They are too narrow in their vision, or in other words have tunnel vision and cannot see the forest for the trees.

There are some very dedicated people involved with RTW, and some with strong leadership potential, but it is not being exploited or nurtured as it could be by a good leader.

RTW in my view needs a leader with a wider vision then is currently present, and no I do not have any suggestions as to who that could be, but if the current leadership will continue to woo and go after the various users groups, including 4x4 clubs as well as Bike and Quad Groups, then a good leader for RTW may mineralize and take RTW to the next level and beyond.

Binder
11-21-2009, 12:29 PM
This is a good topic of discussion Ted and I find it odd that it seems no one in RTW wants to discuss the quality of their leadership in a productive manner. Yes it's hard to speak poorly of someone who volunteers and has the same goals as you do but hopefully they would understand that hearing view points of others could help them to be a better leader.
Who are the current RTW leaders anyways? I know it's up for elections anyways so maybe the newly nominated leaders would like to speak and "sell themselves"? What do they plan to do differently and what do they plan to do that stays with current RTW tradition?
I know you have a private forum here and probably talk about these things there. If you want to try to reduce the "click" image and attract new people you really should try to get your messages across to the common public and not just among yourselves.:cool:







Now I will pose my own question, and provide my answer, which I am sure is different from yours the reader of this post.

Question: Does RTW as an Organization have good leadership?

My Answer: No it does not. It has some leaders, but not what I would call good leaders. They are too narrow in their vision, or in other words have tunnel vision and cannot see the forest for the trees.

There are some very dedicated people involved with RTW, and some with strong leadership potential, but it is not being exploited or nurtured as it could be by a good leader.

RTW in my view needs a leader with a wider vision then is currently present, and no I do not have any suggestions as to who that could be, but if the current leadership will continue to woo and go after the various users groups, including 4x4 clubs as well as Bike and Quad Groups, then a good leader for RTW may mineralize and take RTW to the next level and beyond.

The Shocker
11-21-2009, 05:11 PM
I have been nominated for VP. My intentions for RTW is to be ACTIVELY involved to help get RTW to the point of being a true multi-user org. IMO, we need everyones help to be able to make Reiter somewhere we all want to go back to. I spent the day today in Tumwater at the DNR facility getting training for doing volunteer trail work. I have brought back 10 sets of pamphlets and information to pass on and plan to do so at the Dec meeting. I will also post some of the ideas here as not everyone is able to attend the meetings. There were backcountry horsemen,Mountain Bikers, Quad riders and DirtBikers and ALL very active with volunteering for DNR. I feel my time was very positively used today and hope to be a good leader if elected. We need to get our associations bylaws and 501 status dealt with so we can start approaching the funding needs that will soon plague us at Reiter.

98ZJ4X4
11-21-2009, 05:13 PM
This is a good topic of discussion Ted and I find it odd that it seems no one in RTW wants to discuss the quality of their leadership in a productive manner. Yes it's hard to speak poorly of someone who volunteers and has the same goals as you do but hopefully they would understand that hearing view points of others could help them to be a better leader.
Who are the current RTW leaders anyways? I know it's up for elections anyways so maybe the newly nominated leaders would like to speak and "sell themselves"? What do they plan to do differently and what do they plan to do that stays with current RTW tradition?
I know you have a private forum here and probably talk about these things there. If you want to try to reduce the "click" image and attract new people you really should try to get your messages across to the common public and not just among yourselves.:cool:

Well it was your question originally and I just happen to agree with it and tried to provide my view of the subject.

As you should note, I have dropped out of what you call the "Click" which I also feel it is to some degree, and I no longer have access to the Private Section of the RTW Forum or act as a Moderator of this Forum.

I am also disappointed that no one has responded to this thread, but not surprised.

crash
11-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Question: Does RTW as an Organization have good leadership?

My Answer: No it does not. It has some leaders, but not what I would call good leaders. They are too narrow in their vision, or in other words have tunnel vision and cannot see the forest for the trees.

There are some very dedicated people involved with RTW, and some with strong leadership potential, but it is not being exploited or nurtured as it could be by a good leader.

RTW in my view needs a leader with a wider vision then is currently present, and no I do not have any suggestions as to who that could be, but if the current leadership will continue to woo and go after the various users groups, including 4x4 clubs as well as Bike and Quad Groups, then a good leader for RTW may mineralize and take RTW to the next level and beyond.

Good question and simply no we are strongly lacking in leadership and some board structure.

This is one reason we are stepping up things by a few months to re-organize the board and get the leadership we need.

Just as we have discussed in past meetings ted and within the membership.

Tod701
11-22-2009, 06:16 AM
501 .

501c3 or 501c4?

c3 allows tax deductable donations, c4 does not.

c4 allows the organization to participate in politics and legal action, c3 does not.

c4 is cheap to set up, c3 is not.

Large non-profit organizations set up both and keep the funding seperate.

The NMA and WOHVA are c4, most Backcounty Horseman local chapters are c3.

The Shocker
11-22-2009, 07:47 AM
501c3 or 501c4?

c3 allows tax deductable donations, c4 does not.

c4 allows the organization to participate in politics and legal action, c3 does not.

c4 is cheap to set up, c3 is not.

Large non-profit organizations set up both and keep the funding seperate.

The NMA and WOHVA are c4, most Backcounty Horseman local chapters are c3.


501c3 is what has been discussed at the meetings and what we were going for. I don't know about the rest of the group and will ask, but I don't think we need c4 status as we don't have the legal resources like NMA and WOHVA have in order to deal with legal matters that a c4 does.

After seeing and hearing more of the Backcountry Horseman group lately, I think we would do good to model some of our group off of theirs.

Tod701
11-22-2009, 04:56 PM
501c3 is what has been discussed at the meetings and what we were going for. I don't know about the rest of the group and will ask, but I don't think we need c4 status as we don't have the legal resources like NMA and WOHVA have in order to deal with legal matters that a c4 does.

After seeing and hearing more of the Backcountry Horseman group lately, I think we would do good to model some of our group off of theirs.

If RTW can nail down a 501c3 and partner up will something like WOHVA for the political/legislative/legal stuff, then you might have a real solid set-up.